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  HOW MANY DIED DURING CRUSADES?

  by writetoknow in

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  hitler, lenin, stalin, mao et al: .

  (the heart of this statement is: darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species..were created by god....) .

  1856; d. 1939) sigmund freuds impact on 20th century thinking is almost too great to measure.

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  Or do I just have to take it on faith that you would actually do good works because you care about people?

  You may, if you like.

  And why are your motives better then a Christian that has love of God in his heart?

  I can only answer such a generalization with another generalization, and that is: Perhaps our motives are better because 'the love in our hearts' does not allow us to justify hatred or wage war against those who disagree with us, as often has been the case with "godly" people throughout history.

  I do not say that all religious people are war-mongerers, any more than I would say all atheists are peacenicks.

  That would be a generalization I could not prove, although, as Gopher, who tends to write in complete senteces, has suggested, much violence throughout history has been perpetrated by and through "godly" authorities, drunk with the so-called "love" of god.
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  HOW MANY DIED DURING CRUSADES?

  by writetoknow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hitler, lenin, stalin, mao et al: .

  (the heart of this statement is: darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species..were created by god....) .

  1856; d. 1939) sigmund freuds impact on 20th century thinking is almost too great to measure.

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  So that means everyone thats a Christian does good works because of fear of God!

  No. It simply means that many people do good things (and even bad things) and may not always be aware of how or why they do the things they do.

  Cultures have evolved because human beings evolved the need and desire for them. Because we create does not mean that everything around us was created, though it's an understandable assumption to make. It is also just that - an assumption, not a fact.
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  On sending money and flowers to posters in loss . . .

  by Happy Harvester in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if what is going on with this "trevorgate" thing is true, i think it is best to simply make a donation to a good cause, instead of directly to the person, unless you have absoulute, direct contact with the situation entirely.

  because of my awakenings about all of my own family and jw mental health issues - and in light of the info i've come across today about linda and trevor - i am inspired to make donations to nami and other mental health organizations in the name of "trevor s." and other deluded or abusive people who seriously need help.. there are enough stressors and depressers in my life, without trying to help people who have imaginary problems, (although i don't doubt they too need help - just not the kind of help i can offer!).

  if a person or people are laughing at us for our desire to reach out, be humane, offer compassion and act as a family in the way that many of us have been denied by the wtb&ts, the person perpetrating the hoax is so deeply damaged that seeking to punish him/her is counterproductive; however, he/she definitely needs to be confronted and face the natural consequences.

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  I did not intend to start an argument at all on the merits of helping anyone, just to say that I'd rather be sure I know who I am helping, than get involved in a scam.

  Obviously, I do care about it; otherwise, I would not have brought it up.

  I am so glad that help was available to all who have needed it, sincerely!

  And one day, when I am able, I will get to an apostafest.

  Rabbit, you have a PM that I'm also posting here because it applies to anyone else who might, understandably, feel as you do. I am making some major changes in my approach and attitudes about things and I am familiar with this forum, as many of you are also familiar with me:

  I just wanted to respond to your reply to me at the thread on trvorgate.I actually have been posting at JWD for a couple of years, but have changed my screen name due to anonymity issues.I have exposed too many details about myself and my family here (particularly while drinking), and prefer to remain anonymous. I also asked Skully to please delete my original account because of this.If you have any questions, feel free to ask her about it, although I still prefer to remain anonymous.I will forward this PM to her, just in case you (or anybody else) cares to pursue it.I do not care to associate my new screen name with my old one for the reasons outlined above.
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  Anger

  by dawg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not trying to defend anyone's actions including mine, but i can certainly see how many of us feel anger.... my father is a sucessful business man, loved in the community by the "worldly" and the jws alike; he's also very logical in almost everyway until we talk about the witnesses.

  becasue he's so chrismatic, he's played a role in converting almost everyone in the family-i'm irish so it's one darn big family, into being devout jws.

  when i think about how much i love my dad, and my family and couple that with the fact that the only beef we have with one another is the fact that i see through the gb lies; it makes me mad that the love i once felt will never be there again becasue of this division.

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  So even

  though the company is practically in the trash, they're holding on to their stock hoping it will rise in value again

  somehow and they will finally get their invesment back and then some. Can't risk selling off now!

  Such a good analogy, Journey On!
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  Anger

  by dawg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not trying to defend anyone's actions including mine, but i can certainly see how many of us feel anger.... my father is a sucessful business man, loved in the community by the "worldly" and the jws alike; he's also very logical in almost everyway until we talk about the witnesses.

  becasue he's so chrismatic, he's played a role in converting almost everyone in the family-i'm irish so it's one darn big family, into being devout jws.

  when i think about how much i love my dad, and my family and couple that with the fact that the only beef we have with one another is the fact that i see through the gb lies; it makes me mad that the love i once felt will never be there again becasue of this division.

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  That's what trips to the range are for, dump a few mags of 7.62x39 into a target, you feel better.

  I'm not a gun person, RollerDave, but that sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe I could try a little boxing or archery, too, putting watchtower mags on the target.
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  Anger

  by dawg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not trying to defend anyone's actions including mine, but i can certainly see how many of us feel anger.... my father is a sucessful business man, loved in the community by the "worldly" and the jws alike; he's also very logical in almost everyway until we talk about the witnesses.

  becasue he's so chrismatic, he's played a role in converting almost everyone in the family-i'm irish so it's one darn big family, into being devout jws.

  when i think about how much i love my dad, and my family and couple that with the fact that the only beef we have with one another is the fact that i see through the gb lies; it makes me mad that the love i once felt will never be there again becasue of this division.

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  I can certainly see how someone may snap in a moment of dispair.

  And despair is just what they want us to feel. It is very easy to relate to what you're saying.

  One of my most memorable conversations with my younger sister is where she tells me if only I would "open my mind and research" ghoulhovah's word . . . talk about despair, angst, anger, grief . . . how about you open your mind, sis, and research your cult religion?

  If only I would open my mind, coming from brainwashed cult members!! It would be laughable if it weren't so angering.

  I am sorry for this, too. I love my family and wish I could have a relationship with them, but their choices, not mine, make it impossible to have a healthy relationship, and I'd rather not have an unhealthy one.

  Theychooseto blame us for their own intellectual laziness, and that is quite a shame and quite a waste, more for them than for us, I believe; but, still painful to be shut out for simply disagreeing with such silly ideas.
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  I shouldn't be shocked but I am.

  by reneeisorym in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/143755/1.ashx.

  i posted this oct 8, '07.

  backgroud: i am a 5th generation jw.

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  I wonder what you will find if you type "angry rants" into the search function here? More than you're asking for, no doubt.

  Edited to say that as of 2:49 pm edlt, well over 18,000 results for angry rants in both text and titles on all topics.
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  Is there anything you couldn't do as a JW that you wish you couldn't do now

  by Gregor in

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  celebrate christmas.

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  be a grown up every dang day

  face painful crap and not bury it

  be responsible for my reality
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  Suggestions needed?

  by jc1985 in

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  well ive been raised in the truth for 20 years, and serve as an ms, but have overtime realized that its not actually the "truth".. any thoughts on how to best let it be known that im not interested in being a witness, and once thats accomplished how to assimilate myself into.

  the "world", since ive been shut off from it for my whole life and programmed to believe every non witness is only interested in hurting others.. any thoughts would be helpful.

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  Any thoughts on how to best let it be known that im not interested in being a witness

  It depends on your personal/family circumstances. For some, a quick clean break is best, while others take the slow fade and gradually introduce new ideas to loved ones.

  A number of people here have tried both and a number of us have made mistakes in how we approached it all, but we did not have the support that's here; so, take advantage of it. There are a number of ex-elders and elders on the way out here.

  Good luck and congrats!
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  I shouldn't be shocked but I am.

  by reneeisorym in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/143755/1.ashx.

  i posted this oct 8, '07.

  backgroud: i am a 5th generation jw.

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  Sorry about that, Renee. Abandonment sucks, no matter how old or young we are.